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	<description>and other rantings from a philosophically literate mathematician</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 19:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Back from Hell, or the Wonders of Connectivity by tal galili</title>
		<link>http://mousomer.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/back-from-hell-or-the-wonders-of-connectivity/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>tal galili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 20:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude.
You should see this video:
http://www.talgalili.com/?p=245
(Pay attention to the end of it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude.<br />
You should see this video:<br />
<a href="http://www.talgalili.com/?p=245" rel="nofollow">http://www.talgalili.com/?p=245</a><br />
(Pay attention to the end of it)</p>
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		<title>Comment on A challenge for Militant Atheists - The St. Petersburg Revelation 2000 by mousomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mousomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is certainly NOT an orthodox Christian view.
Also, there is something nasty to be said about a world view that gets along with any evidence whatsoever. If you get along with everything, then you're saying nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is certainly NOT an orthodox Christian view.<br />
Also, there is something nasty to be said about a world view that gets along with any evidence whatsoever. If you get along with everything, then you&#8217;re saying nothing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A challenge for Militant Atheists - The St. Petersburg Revelation 2000 by Lisha Sterling</title>
		<link>http://mousomer.wordpress.com/2008/03/18/a-challenge-for-militant-atheists/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisha Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misguided? Maybe not!

Maybe you miss that the divine works through the fabric of reality, through adorable blond Russian-Israeli boys and through the chaos of a butterfly's wings. Isn't that why the Kabbalists say that the word for world is "Olam"? Because the divine is hidden in plain sight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misguided? Maybe not!</p>
<p>Maybe you miss that the divine works through the fabric of reality, through adorable blond Russian-Israeli boys and through the chaos of a butterfly&#8217;s wings. Isn&#8217;t that why the Kabbalists say that the word for world is &#8220;Olam&#8221;? Because the divine is hidden in plain sight?</p>
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		<title>Comment on EyezMaze by Lisha Sterling</title>
		<link>http://mousomer.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/eyezmaze/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisha Sterling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When your youngin' is about 8 or 9, get 'em started with &lt;a href="http://www.alice.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Alice&lt;/a&gt;. My 9 year old is loving it. It teaches kids how to program while they have fun making simple stories, movies and games. The current version let's kids get as deep into the real code they are writing as they want, or they can stay at the beginners' levels and just organize pretty pictures, motions, and events. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When your youngin&#8217; is about 8 or 9, get &#8216;em started with <a href="http://www.alice.org/" rel="nofollow">Alice</a>. My 9 year old is loving it. It teaches kids how to program while they have fun making simple stories, movies and games. The current version let&#8217;s kids get as deep into the real code they are writing as they want, or they can stay at the beginners&#8217; levels and just organize pretty pictures, motions, and events. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on and on to world domination! by tal galili</title>
		<link>http://mousomer.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/and-on-to-world-domination/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>tal galili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Mousomer&#8217;s corner by bibomedia.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>bibomedia.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)</description>
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		<title>Comment on Astrology - why it used to be resonable and why it ain&#8217;t so anymore by David Marjanović</title>
		<link>http://mousomer.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/astrology-why-it-used-to-be-resonable-and-why-it-aint-so-anymore/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>David Marjanović</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Astrologers ruled the world. Now they clatter in the back pages of second-rate magazines.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

...and those of the most widely read daily newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Astrologers ruled the world. Now they clatter in the back pages of second-rate magazines.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;and those of the most widely read daily newspapers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Astrology - why it used to be resonable and why it ain&#8217;t so anymore by Alun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a quick response, there is a difference between the divine and a god.

I think in ancient Greece &lt;em&gt;Divine&lt;/em&gt; would best be described as perfect and incorruptible. With the exception of the planets the stars are permanent and fixed which makes them divine. This might explain why there's no concept of variable stars in ancient Greece, even though something like Algol would be visibly variable to the naked eye. Gods also have this same attribute of having incorruptible bodies, which makes them divine. Then ideas of divinity in gods feedback in some ways to planets, though in the case of Greek astrology the gods remained anthropomorphic.

What the planets had was κοσμος, or &lt;em&gt;order&lt;/em&gt;. For some Greeks justice was as much a natural force as gravity. Anaximander built a cosmology based justice being a force inherent in the universe. Many other Greeks preferred to see Justice as something given or enforced by the gods and it's not something they have complete control over if you read things like the Iliad. The divinity of the planets placed them above earthly concerns and so they acted with complete order.

That's not a complete overview and someone else could disagree quite strongly with it in places. Greek religion and ancient religion in general doesn't map very neatly onto the modern concept of religion. Additionally the concept of Astrology differs greatly over the ancient period. The end of the late antique period is closer to modern times than the protohistorical period I tend to study and attitudes change. For instance in Augustan times Astrology was considered by some people to be nonsense, but then a society which spends a lot of time abusing astrologers must also be a society where there are astrologers with power and status to abuse.

That's why I said the difference between divine planets and gods was hair-splitting. It doesn't weaken your argument that Astrology was a product of its time and needs to be evaluated in its social context rather than as a science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a quick response, there is a difference between the divine and a god.</p>
<p>I think in ancient Greece <em>Divine</em> would best be described as perfect and incorruptible. With the exception of the planets the stars are permanent and fixed which makes them divine. This might explain why there&#8217;s no concept of variable stars in ancient Greece, even though something like Algol would be visibly variable to the naked eye. Gods also have this same attribute of having incorruptible bodies, which makes them divine. Then ideas of divinity in gods feedback in some ways to planets, though in the case of Greek astrology the gods remained anthropomorphic.</p>
<p>What the planets had was κοσμος, or <em>order</em>. For some Greeks justice was as much a natural force as gravity. Anaximander built a cosmology based justice being a force inherent in the universe. Many other Greeks preferred to see Justice as something given or enforced by the gods and it&#8217;s not something they have complete control over if you read things like the Iliad. The divinity of the planets placed them above earthly concerns and so they acted with complete order.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not a complete overview and someone else could disagree quite strongly with it in places. Greek religion and ancient religion in general doesn&#8217;t map very neatly onto the modern concept of religion. Additionally the concept of Astrology differs greatly over the ancient period. The end of the late antique period is closer to modern times than the protohistorical period I tend to study and attitudes change. For instance in Augustan times Astrology was considered by some people to be nonsense, but then a society which spends a lot of time abusing astrologers must also be a society where there are astrologers with power and status to abuse.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I said the difference between divine planets and gods was hair-splitting. It doesn&#8217;t weaken your argument that Astrology was a product of its time and needs to be evaluated in its social context rather than as a science.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Astrology - why it used to be resonable and why it ain&#8217;t so anymore by Vidi &#171; Archaeoastronomy</title>
		<link>http://mousomer.wordpress.com/2008/02/28/astrology-why-it-used-to-be-resonable-and-why-it-aint-so-anymore/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Vidi &#171; Archaeoastronomy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Astrology - why it used to be resonable and why it ain’t so anymore « Theoretical Democratix A good explanation of why an incorrect explanation is not the same as a stupid explanation. There are elements of this I don&#8217;t agree with, for example planets were divine but not gods to the ancient Greeks, but that&#8217;s hair-splitting and would need a blog post I don&#8217;t have time to write to justify it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Astrology - why it used to be resonable and why it ain’t so anymore « Theoretical Democratix A good explanation of why an incorrect explanation is not the same as a stupid explanation. There are elements of this I don&#8217;t agree with, for example planets were divine but not gods to the ancient Greeks, but that&#8217;s hair-splitting and would need a blog post I don&#8217;t have time to write to justify it. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Astrology - why it used to be resonable and why it ain&#8217;t so anymore by mousomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mousomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time, my dear friend. Time is our eternal nemesis.
What newspaper would that be? (You are invited to do so yourself. )
and thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time, my dear friend. Time is our eternal nemesis.<br />
What newspaper would that be? (You are invited to do so yourself. )<br />
and thanks.</p>
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